Master Watchmaker Review of Calibre 1887

The short life of the Calibre 1887 movement has been far from dull. Over the last 12 months we’ve had the announcement of the new movement, the initial controversy over its origins, the excitement of the launch of the Carrera 1887, the post-Basel re-design and now- finally- the first watches arriving in stores.

And these developments have been covered in detail here at Calibre 11, including this article that discussed the origins of the movement and how it differed to its Seiko origins.

And there have been two questions that have dominated discussion about the movement: Is it any good and is it really a TAG Heuer movement?

Both of these questions are answered in this great article from QP Magazine where Master Watchmaker Peter Roberts (Technical Director of Bremont) reviewed the new movements from TAG Heuer and Breitling.

My thanks to James Gurney, Editor of QP Magazine for allowing the article to be reproduced.

(if you have trouble with the PDF viewer below, try a direct download here)

  • Wynonie

    Great article – builds anticipation nicely. Am I right that the new movement will also be in the 300 SLR?

  • Dean Grant Baker

    I'm sorry; tag's purchasing the movement rights and technical expertise from Seiko; in NO way shape of form means that this is a 'manufacture' movement, adding the FACT that tag STILL actually uses [a] Seiko built part[s] and their technical expertise adds credence to this argument.

  • DC

    Yes, Wynonie, the Cal. 1887 will go into the 300 SLR, as this is really an LE Carrera model.

    Dean, Given that there are 320 parts in the movement, using one from Seiko is hardly a big deal.

    There is no definition of what makes a "manufacture" movement- you have your view, but you'd have to agree that Peter Roberts is well and truly qualified to have his. What I liked about this article is that it was written from someone who had no allegiance/ agenda and has far more technical knowledge that most of us…certainly more than I do!

  • Dean Grant Baker

    If Rolex were found to have used a Seiko designed and built movement for the 3135 'manufacture', it would be scandalous.

    If it came out that they still were actually still using Seiko designed and built parts in said claimed 'manufacture'; it would be their literal end.

    If ETA were found out to have used a Seiko … .

  • Dan Engells

    Dean..whats your point ?

    Time will tell the story of 1887, but i´m quit sure it will surely surpass and eclipss the movement it replaces – the ETA 7750.

    Evolution is good-

  • Speedmaster

    Fantastic post, thanks!